Jim Schneider will be interviewing Pastor Larry DeBruyn, Senior Pastor of Franklin Road Baptist Church in Indianapolis, on today’s Crosstalk Show. William Paul Young, author of the wildly successful novel, The Shack, is speaking at the supposedly conservative Elmbrook Church on July 12, here in Southeastern Wisconsin, despite his denial of one of the core doctrines of the Bible, the penal substitutionary atonement of Christ. His book, The Shack, further introduces a false view of the Holy Trinity. Pastor Debruyn will address these concerns and discuss why it is that increasingly, cardinal doctrine is viewed as disposable in evangelical churches.

Listen live at 2pm Central at our website or later with the podcast.

Rick Warren’s new online magazine, Purpose-Driven Connection, is also promoting the heretical book, The Shack. It would not bother Rick that author William Paul Young denies the penal substitutionary atonement. Doctrine does not matter. What matters is if you feel “moved”, if you laugh, if you cry, if you feel “transformed” by whatever popular book is on the best seller list. Who cares that the substitutionary atonement is at the heart of the true Gospel? Who cares if William Paul Young is denying this basic biblical doctrine? He wrote a book that emotionally moves us, and that, today, is all that matters.

Elmbrook, Wisconsin’s oldest and supposedly most theologically conservative megachurch, is bringing William Paul Young to their church, Sunday evening, July 12. It will cost you $5 for the the privilege of hearing a man who denies the penal substitutionary atonement of Christ. Here’s a clip of Mr. Young denying this cardinal Christian doctrine. Here’s the written transcript.

Pastor Larry DeBruyn of Franklin Road Baptist Church has written a well-documented, multi-part series about the heresy in The Shack. So has Pastor Jeffrey Whittaker and Warren Smith. The various essays can be found here at the Herescope blog. (Please scroll down…)

Elmbrook Church is treading new and dangerous waters by allowing someone who openly denies the basic doctrine of the substitutionary atonement to come and speak to their people. The ticket prices are charged because Mr. Young is a celebrity. Celebrities come with a price tag. Heretical celebrities come with an eternal price tag that is much, much higher. Elmbrook Church leadership owes an explanation to its Bible-believing parishioners as to how someone who denies cardinal doctrine can be welcomed in their sanctuary.

Here is Pastor DeBruyn on Crosstalk discussing The Shack.

A recent piece in a UK paper described what the author called the “infantalizing” of readers by the publishers of popular women’s magazines. The reporter ruefully observed what passes for articles in women’s magazines today, and made some funny but on target points about articles like “Five Ways to Hold Your Handbag”, including the Dangle, the Cuddle and the Twiddle. (I’ll bet you didn’t know there were FIVE ways to hold a handbag, ladies…) Magazines publish this kind of tripe because it reflects the depth of their readership. It sells.  The more of this garbage is fed to readers, the more they develop a taste for it. 

Similarly, we see this in Christian magazines. Nowhere to be found are serious and in depth discussions of the moral and doctrinal issues facing evangelicals—issues of eternal consequence. You won’t find anything in depth, in fact, unless it’s advertising for books like The Shack or Osteen’s latest personal enhancement book. You’ll find trite, two-paragraph advice columns for the lovelorn, 10 Ways to This, 5 Steps to That, movie reviews and obligatory interviews with heavy hitting Christian leaders like Miley Cyrus. (Here’s Christianity Today’s latest with “Hannah Montana.”) I can’t wait until next month when CT conducts their historic interview with the Jonas Brothers about their soon-to-be-published memoirs.

The infantilizing isn’t limited to readers of women’s magazines. Hearing about a 50-some-year-old evangelical pastor convinces me of that. It seems he has developed a thing for High School Musical—the teen actress who plays Sharpay to be exact. He even bought stickers with the faces of the cast on them and refuses to miss a single episode. Onward Christian soldiers, with your life-size cardboard cut-outs of Miley and Sharpay held aloft!

The idea of a vigil service the night before Resurrection Sunday is a tradition that goes back to the early church when believers would gather to commemorate that dark night before the morning when our Savior’s tomb was found empty. Christians would spend the night in prayer, singing hymns and reading the Scriptures. The service begins in darkness with the lighting of the Paschal candle, representing Jesus Christ, the Light of the World. From that candle the congregation lights their own candles as it is carried throughout the church. Little by little, the pitch blackness of the church begins to lessen as each and every candle adds its light. Before long, the church is alight. Just as each individual candle brings light to the physical darkness, the light of Christ, in everyone who truly believes, lightens the darkness of our world.

This is the night,
Which throughout the world
Frees all who believe in Christ
From the vices of their time-shackled existence,
From the lightless dungeon of sin,
And restores them to grace: unites them to holiness.

This is the Night
In which Christ broke the chains of death
And rose in radiant victory
From the pit of Hades.

–Augustine

After the service of prayer, hymns and Scripture readings taking the congregation from the beginning of Redemption’s story in Genesis through the final triumph in Revelation, at midnight the church bells begin to peal. The lights are thrown on and the organ roars forth, the trumpet sound in the balcony soaring over the top, and the beautiful white banners go in procession down the aisle. The dark night is over. Sin, death, and hell have been conquered. Christ is Risen! Christ is Risen! He is risen, indeed. Alleluia!

In this piece John Lanagan begins by pointing out:

Concern about The Shack, the novel by Paul Young, has skyrocketed since revelation of the author’s denial of the substitutionary Atonement of Christ… In the month of May, Bill and Gloria Gaither will host the 19th Annual Family Fest, and the author of The Shack is scheduled as one of the speakers…

For those who suspected that there were serious theological problems with the popular book, The Shack, an interview with William Young should confirm your suspicions. In this sound bite, William Young denies the Penal Substitutionary Atonement and espouses other strange doctrines. The entire interview can be heard here.

One evangelical pastor was so enthusiastic about this book, he bought cases to deliver to his church members. Not even the denial of the foundational doctrine of the Atonement is sufficient to offend evangelicals these days.

Pastor Jeffrey Whittaker has written a critical essay of William Paul Young’s, The Shack, posted at Herescope. The deciding issue for most evangelicals today when appraising the worth of a book is this: Does it make me feel good? Does it make me cry? Does it make me laugh? Does it make me have warm, fuzzy feelings about God? Nobody wants to appraise things in the light of God’s Word. Why? That takes thought. That takes study and careful analysis using the mind God has given us.

We are decades in to the Oprahfication of American evangelicalism. Oprah can have her audience sighing, crying, laughing or cheering while a transvestite in full drag tells his/her story with great pathos and passion. Never mind that the individual on stage is a such a human disaster that he/she doesn’t know her/his own gender. Never mind that the person is a sexual deviant in desperate need of the Gospel. Never mind that the person is at war with everything God has mandated in His Word. The Oprah audience is led around by emotions. Feelings are all that matter.

The same is true in the church today. Christians sob into their hankies at emotional stories. Never mind that the stories are introducing dangerously false teachings about who God is. Never mind that the stories contradict the very Word of God. Who cares if the stories present outright pagan concepts. We feel, deep in our bosoms, that the story must be true. After all, we’re crying and laughing, right? Exactly. Just like the Oprah Show audience.

Rob Bell’s recent Nooma video is a doozie. The video, entitled “SHE”, is introduced this way:

A lot of us are comfortable with male imagery for God. But what about female imagery for God? Is God limited to a gender?

After looking at an increasingly androgynous Rob Bell in this video, I’d say Bell doesn’t seem limited to a gender either. Any time the feminine side of God is touted by religious leaders, support for homosexuality is never far behind. After all, the thinking goes, if man is made in God’s image, why would he/she be limited to a gender either, right? The goddess, feminine theology, introduced here by Bell and also by the recent Shack novel, will go a long way to push this thinking forward.

Here’s a preview to “She” with Rob Bell.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p_W_ZprQYU[/youtube]

My Facebook friend, Emily Baker writes:

A friend living in Serbia offered one of the most encouraging and godly responses I have yet heard regarding our presidential election here in the U.S. I am sincerely humbled by your perspective, Natalija. Thank you for reminding us where true hope is found.

While you should do everything that is in your power to influence the choice by your vote (according to your conscience), do not be afraid of the outcome!

What I am getting at is, that no matter what the political situation of your or my country – GOD IS IN CONTROL. And our job is to serve God in all circumstances. It is HIM we serve, not our country!

I have in my short life witnessed many things. I have been there when the shackles of communism fell. I stood at the Berlin wall and rejoiced with everyone else. I was ecstatic when we finally could preach and sing in public, when we could legally publish Christian books, when we could finally enjoy “religious freedom” at home, in church, in school and public. That was the first few years.

Do you know what the situation is now – 20 years after we got all the freedom? The church has become lukewarm. The price of discipleship is not as high as it used to be and people are too busy living their capitalist lifestyle of earning money and do not care for church anymore. When we were operating under the threat of being put in prison, when there was constant persecution of the church, the church flourished, people clung to God, people were on fire for God. The freedom brought just the opposite. “Blessed are the persecuted” – I understand this only now after living through all of the changes and seeing how true this statement is.

My human mother heart wishes that I can raise my children in freedom and teach them what I think is right and that my and their moral lifestyle would be rewarded and honored. But the more I read the Bible, the more I am aware that IF we honor God, we will not be understood and honored in this world.
I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.
God is in charge of the universe. He will use many various ways to draw people to himself – sometimes quite the opposite of what we think. The cost of discipleship is high. The price is His precious blood. He stood by His people through wars, persecution, yes even communism.

Think about this, as I finish: The darker the night, the stronger our light! That’s all I want to tell you. Do not be afraid, cling to God. He will bring you through.

Pastor Larry DeBruyn has published a three-part series on the popular book, The Shack, and its teachings of universal reconciliation before God. These teachings underlie the whole emerging church heresy.

Here is:

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Pastor DeBruyn writes:

Writing from the standpoint of being a one time “theological buddy” of Paul Young, author of The Shack, James De Young notes that the “the most serious error is Paul’s embrace of Universal Reconciliation which lies imbedded in the book.”[15] When applied to Christianity, Universal Reconciliation (UR) behaves like a computer virus that first invades, and then infects the whole body of biblical Truth. Contradicting distinctive Christian teachings, UR proposes a dialectic that changes biblical beliefs about God’s love and justice, Jesus’ atonement, heaven and hell, and the balance between divine sovereignty and human responsibility.

This hasn’t, of course, stopped evangelical pastors from buying this book by the crateload and handing it out to parishoners as though it were another scripture text. That’s because doctrine and theology don’t matter any longer. If a book makes you feel good, it must be Christian teaching, right?

The answers to the earlier Slice Reader Multiple Choice Quiz are in bold below.

1. In a recent YouTube video posted at Slice, a pastor engaged in what disastrous indoor activity in front of his church:

A. An equestrian jumping event on stage in which the horse fell and had to be put down in full view of the audience.
B. A Dancing with the Pastors sermon opener that went south when a Sunday School teacher was dropped into the front row of seats during a particularly ambitious maneuver.
C. A motorcycle wheelie that went bad and sent the bike into the wall and parishioners running for their lives.

2. A church recently made Slice headlines when it featured what prelude number from the following 80’s musical group:

A. Hell’s Bells by AC/DC
B. Do You Really Want to Hurt me? by the Culture Club
C. I’m All Out of Love by Air Supply
D. Our House in the Middle of Our Street by Madness

3. Which of the following was not a real church sermon series title talked about here at Slice?

A. Lessons from Dr. Seuss
B. Sex and the City and You
C. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Ringo and George
D. Dates of Our Lives: How do keep your love life from being a soap opera

4. A pastor made secular news headlines when he challenged church couples to do what for 30 days straight:

A. Save $5 a day for missions
B. Forgo television
C. Pray and read the Scriptures for half an hour each day
D. Have sex

5. Which of the following rock songs of the past was used for congregational singing in a past Slice news story?

A. Another One Bites the Dust by Queen
B. Losing My Religion by REM
C. Until the End of the World by U2
D. We’re in This Together by Nine Inch Nails

6. A large church in Gainesville, Georgia staged what famous dance scene as a lead-in for the pastor’s sermon?

A. Flash Dance from the movie by the same name
B. Thriller from Michael Jackson
C. A dance scene from Footloose
D. The La Conga scene from Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney in Strike up the Band

7. Which of the two sermon series actually took place at a famous megachurch and which is fictitious? Answer: Series 1 is fictional–for now. Series 2 was conducted at Granger Community Church in Granger, Indiana.

Series 1

The Ultimate Manilow: Help For Relationships Based on Those “Old Songs”

Week 1 Regrets: Mandy - “…she came and she gave without taking.”

Week 2 When you can’t let go:  Even Now – “…even now I wake up crying in the middle of the night…”

Week 3 When love dies: Tryin’ To Get the Feeling Again “…and I’ve been up, down, trying to get the feeling again…”

Week 4 Letting your love shine through: Daybreak “…it’s daybreak if you wanna believe and let it shine, shine, shine, ALL around the world…”

Series 2

I love the 80’s series: Big Hair, Bad Debt, Good Music

Week 1 – Risky Business

Week 2 – Living on a Prayer

Week 3 – Tight Like Spandex

Week 4 – The MacGyver Plan

9. Pastors nationwide are buying boxes full of what book to distribute to their congregations?

A. Holy in Christ by Andrew Murray
B. The Bible
C. The Sovereignty of God by A.W. Pink
D. The Shack by William P. Young

10. This month, Christianity Today promoted what woman as an example of devotion to Christ:

A. Mary who sat at the feet of Jesus while her sister busily prepared supper.
B. Elizabeth Elliot who continued to serve the Lord after losing her missionary husband in Ecuador.
C. Gladys Aylward who traveled to China by train to bring the Gospel to that country.
D. Catherine of Siena, a Roman Catholic mystic who starved and beat herself daily with a chain to purge away her sins and who claimed that she had married Christ and wore an invisible ring made from the foreskin left from his circumcision.

It’s time for the Stranger than Fiction Slice Reader Quiz. If you are a regular reader here you should be able to identify the right answers fairly quickly. If you’re not a regular reader, the multiple choice can provide something of a challenge because absurdity does not rule out an answer as incorrect. In fact, the more absurd the option, the more likely that it’s the correct one. I’ve learned that the truth is always stranger than fiction when it comes to evangelicalism. To get credit for your answers, you may not resort to google or the Slice search engine. Answers will be posted later.

1. In a recent YouTube video posted at Slice, a pastor engaged in what disastrous indoor activity in front of his church:

A. An equestrian jumping event on stage in which the horse fell and had to be put down in full view of the audience.
B. A Dancing with the Pastors sermon opener that went south when a Sunday School teacher was dropped into the front row of seats during a particularly ambitious maneuver.
C. A motorcycle wheelie that went bad and sent the bike into the wall and parishioners running for their lives.

2. A church recently made Slice headlines when it featured what prelude number from the following 80’s musical group:

A. Hell’s Bells by AC/DC
B. Do You Really Want to Hurt me? by the Culture Club
C. I’m All Out of Love by Air Supply
D. Our House in the Middle of Our Street by Madness

3. Which of the following was not a real church sermon series title talked about here at Slice?

A. Lessons from Dr. Seuss
B. Sex and the City and You
C. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Ringo and George
D. Dates of Our Lives: How do keep your love life from being a soap opera

4. A pastor made secular news headlines when he challenged church couples to do what for 30 days straight:

A. Save $5 a day for missions
B. Forgo television
C. Pray and read the Scriptures for half an hour each day
D. Have sex

5. Which of the following rock songs of the past was used for congregational singing in a past Slice news story?

A. Another One Bites the Dust by Queen
B. Losing My Religion by REM
C. Until the End of the World by U2
D. We’re in This Together by Nine Inch Nails

6. A large church in Gainesville, Georgia staged what famous dance scene as a lead-in for the pastor’s sermon?

A. Flash Dance from the movie by the same name
B. Thriller from Michael Jackson
C. A dance scene from Footloose
D. The La Conga scene from Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney in Strike up the Band

7. Which of the two sermon series actually took place at a famous megachurch and which is fictitious?

Series 1

The Ultimate Manilow: Help For Relationships Based on Those “Old Songs”

Week 1 Regrets: Mandy - “…she came and she gave without taking.”

Week 2 When you can’t let go:  Even Now – “…even now I wake up crying in the middle of the night…”

Week 3 When love dies: Tryin’ To Get the Feeling Again “…and I’ve been up, down, trying to get the feeling again…”

Week 4 Letting your love shine through: Daybreak “…it’s daybreak if you wanna believe and let it shine, shine, shine, ALL around the world…”

Series 2

I love the 80’s series: Big Hair, Bad Debt, Good Music

Week 1 – Risky Business

Week 2 – Living on a Prayer

Week 3 – Tight Like Spandex

Week 4 – The MacGyver Plan

9. Pastors nationwide are buying boxes full of what book to distribute to their congregations?

A. Holy in Christ by Andrew Murray
B. The Bible
C. The Sovereignty of God by A.W. Pink
D. The Shack by William P. Young

10. This month, Christianity Today promoted what woman as an example of devotion to Christ:

A. Mary who sat at the feet of Jesus while her sister busily prepared supper.
B. Elizabeth Elliot who continued to serve the Lord after losing her missionary husband in Ecuador.
C. Gladys Aylward who traveled to China by train to bring the Gospel to that country.
D. Catherine of Siena, a Roman Catholic mystic who starved and beat herself daily with a chain to purge away her sins and who claimed that she had married Christ and wore an invisible ring made from the foreskin left from his circumcision.

Answers will be up later.

I’ve been getting press releases for the last few weeks about the latest whiz bang apologetics conference at Southern Evangelical Seminary. The world’s “leading” apologists will be there and “apologists” will be talking about how to defend a “Christian worldview”. Maybe they should just apologize and go home. These “apologists” are talking about advancing traditional marriage, fighting abortion, defending God in the public square and so forth. But keynoter, James Dobson, who is called an “apologist”, is really a cultural activist in a battle that we’re losing, big time. Why? Christians are largely lampooned today, not because of Jesus Christ, but because of the garbage done in His name. With months long freak shows like the one Todd Bentley just completed, with televangelists jetting around at donor expense so the Senate has to investigate, with men like John Avanzini handing out lucky rubbing stones so people can get rich, with cussing pastors and churches handing out cards with ideas to jazz up your sex life, with pastors getting arrested for trying to hook up with 13-year-old girls online, etc, maybe they shouldn’t call this a National Apologetics Conference. I think it should be called a National Apology Conference. They could line up Christian “leaders” and lay people who could spend hours apologizing.

1. We’re sorry for treating Jesus Christ as a life-enhancement product.

2. We’re sorry for funding and listening to crooks and liars on TV and sending them money.

3. We’re sorry for attending churches where live motorcycle stunts are performed onstage.

4. We’re sorry for having 3rd rate ethics while claiming to follow Christ.

5. We’re sorry that neighbors had to call the police because our church sound system blew out their windows.

6. We’re sorry for supporting a deranged “evangelist” who kicks people in the stomach to cure their cancer.

7. We’re sorry for wearing/selling/buying stupid T-shirts that blaspheme God and thinking that would impress non-Christians.

8. We’re sorry for spending billions of dollars on music downloads and CD’s of our favorite Christian pop stars and funding their demise.

9. We’re sorry for blowing off Sola Scriptura and returning to medieval mysticism.

10. We’re sorry for buying books from heretical wolves like Brian McLaren who deny hell, the substitutionary atonement and the Second Coming.

11. We’re sorry for adopting hindu worship practices as a Christian means of encountering God.

12. We’re sorry for buying trash like The Shack that redefines the Trinity and introduces goddess theology to evangelicals.

13. We’re sorry for following the Rupert Murdoch-sponsored Pied Piper into his latest church campaign because we refuse to think biblically.

You get the idea. Maybe the National Apology Conference idea will catch on. I won’t hold my breath.

Part Three of Pastor DeBruyn’s series on The Shack is now up at Herescope.com.

As we pointed out, The Shack is big on “relationship(s).” Apparently, to enhance the “relationship” idea for his readers, William Young felt it necessary to inject femininity into the Trinity, a femininity that Scripture neither literally nor metaphorically endorses.[40] But if the femininity of the Trinity becomes ingrained in the collective consciousness of a large number professing Christians, the essential goddess-ism it contains may lead devout souls into versions of spirituality utterly opposed by God and His Word. We must remember verbal paintings can become just as iconic as images carved from wood or smelted from precious metals. Christians should together remember that because, “we are absent from the Lord . . . we walk by faith, not by sight” (2 Corinthians 5:6b-7).

It’s been a whirlwind week, and I apologize for not being able to post much here at Slice. I am officially a student again which has certainly added extra to my plate. In any event, there is an important two-part article I would like to share with you, written by Pastor Larry DeBruyn of the Discernment Research Group. In this series, he addresses the goddess theology that is presented in The Shack book that is so popular among postmodern pastors and evangelicals. As usual, Pastor DeBruyn takes his time and lays out the false theology in the book, and documents his concerns. Here is Part 1 and here is Part 2. If you or someone you know has been attracted to The Shack, please take time to read these articles. They are helpful in understanding what the book’s author really believes.

But to understand the covert message of the book we need to look at the overt picture of God drawn by the author as we ask the question, from whence might Paul the author have derived his image of the goddess? As we proceed, we shall look at pieces of evidence to see if, in goddess religion, there exists any resemblance to “Papa-Elousia,” the first member of the polymorphous trinity in The Shack. We shall attempt to connect the dots to discover where the author’s picture of God might be “sourced.” And then, seeing how The Shack’s composite picture of deity is linked to “goddess-ism,” we will address the potential implications of such theology for those who might seek to cultivate a relationship with the feminine-divine.

Crosstalk now has a page on YouTube where we will be posting video clips and ultimately full length videos of Crosstalk shows. Here is the link to the page and the first video. Thanks to Lane Chaplin for his work on this.

Pastor Larry DeBruyn will be discussing the wildly successful novel by William Young called, The Shack on Crosstalk today. I received an email from a young reader a couple of days ago, and she sincerely wondered how the “Christ” in The Shack was a counterfeit Jesus. Many are being moved today by emotional stories, but are not looking closely, through the lens of Scripture, at who the Jesus is that writers are talking about. This program will alert Shack fans that the Jesus presented by William Young is not the Jesus of the Scriptures. Tune in at 2pm Central time to hear the show live . The mp3 of the show can be heard here. Here also is the article just published yesterday by Pastor DeBruyn on this subject.

This Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday I will be guest hosting for Adam McManus’s drive-time show on KSLR in San Antonio, Texas. Adam’s show reaches a huge swath of South Texas. The show airs from 3-6pm Central time. One of the topics we’ll be discussing on Wednesday’s show is the popular novel, The Shack, and the false Jesus it presents. I’ll post an update when I have guests firmed up. You can listen live at the KSLR website.

I invite Slice readers to weigh in on some of the important topics you think should be discussed during the 9 hours of radio this represents. There are so many important things I could address, it is a matter of triage. Email me at ingrid@vcyamerica.org if you want to share your thoughts.

Is it a house church movement or a denomination when there are national conferences with big shot speakers invited to address thousands? When I first heard of the house church “movement’, I knew it would be only a matter of time before someone made it an official website, started publishing books, creating how-to manuals, hawking DVD’s and holding national conferences. The term Simple Church is now a catch phrase used for marketing and promoting materials about the now official House Church Movement.

Anyone who thinks that the false teaching found in evangelical churches nationwide will be avoided in a house church setting needs to remember that any fellowship or gathering is only as solid as its leadership. The 2008 National House Church Conference is taking place in Dallas, TX on Friday, August 29 through Sunday, August 31, 2008. So who are these people bringing in to speak–they who supposedly represent an alternative to organized evangelical Christianity? William Young, author of the heretical book, The Shack. This book was thoroughly reviewed by Berit Kjos who clearly points out the unbiblical nature of the Shack’s Jesus.

Here’s a quote from counterfeit “Christ” of The Shack:

“Those who love me come from every system that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims…. I have no desire to make them Christian, but I do want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa, into my brothers and sisters.”

–The Shack’s “Jesus.” [1,p.182]

How does that line up with the Jesus of Scripture who said “I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me”? It doesn’t line up. So what in the world is wrong with the leadership of the National House Church Conference? It is sponsored by House2House, a group that publishes resource materials for “house churches”. The man answering the phone told me that they’re bringing in Paul Young despite concerns expressed about what he stands for. He said that attendees would have to let the Holy Spirit sort it out for them. Sure. Hand out poison and let people’s immune systems sort it out. There is today’s Christian leadership for you. It appears more and more like the House2House organization has become a de facto denomination without the most basic doctrinal standards from Scripture. If you have a house church, protect it doctrinally and skip these giant conferences with celebrity speakers. Haven’t we had enough of that already?